Building a creative Europe, means finally rethinking our way of being in the world and living in the world together. How can we live in it? In what relationship with living things and ecosystems? In what circulations and interactions, physical or virtual? A conversation with Bénédicte Alliot (director of the Cité internationale des Arts), Jelena Petrović (curator), Renata Salecl (philosopher), Shelly de Vito (co-founder of Moulins de Paillard) and Juan Sandoval (director of the residency programmes UNIDEE, Cittadellarte, Fondation Pistoletto).